Young & The Restless Transcript
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Jack: You say you’re looking for a friend, well, look no further. You were the guiding force that figured out how sally and tara were working together to come between kyle and summer. I had my doubts all along. You were right from the start. Kudos to you.
Phyllis: Yay to me.
Jack: What’s wrong?
Phyllis: I raised my daughter to be a strong, independent woman, didn’t I? Yeah, I raised her to run from no fight, run from no challenge. I raised the kind of woman who would do whatever she wanted with whomever she wanted and be whatever she wanted.
Jack: All great qualities. What is the problem?
Phyllis: She took me up on it.
Chelsea: Connor says lacrosse camp is going well.
Adam: That kid is becoming a phenom on the field. Fast, strong, tough.
Chelsea: Just like his parents.
Adam: Yeah, before he left, i advised him that he should take this opportunity to improve his skills, and he really listened.
Chelsea: I hope you don’t think I put up too much of a fight when you wanted to bring him back from minnesota.
Adam: No, not at all. I realize it was hard for you, but you did the right thing, letting him come back here.
Chelsea: I was actually thinking it might be fun to visit him at camp, you know? See him in action.
Adam: Sure. He would love that.
Chelsea: Maybe you could take the day off and join us. Think about how much fun connor would have. I mean, we just haven’t had a chance to be together for him as a family, you know? We haven’t been able to be there for him like that in so long.
Adam: You’re right. He would love that. Um…I’ll check my calendar.
Chelsea: Or maybe we could make a weekend of it. You know, find something fun to do in the area, go to one of the restaurants by camp, or maybe we could take connor out of camp for a night and do a sleepover at a hotel.
Adam: Honestly, chelsea?
Chelsea: You don’t think it’s a good idea.
Adam: It’s not that, it’s just all this talk about family time. I’m curious — where do you see that going?
Sally: I was just saying the same thing to a friend new york. That all of the looks that are coming out of paris this season have, like, a certain…
Chloe: Je ne sais quoi.
[ Chuckles ]
Sally: Yes, precisely. No, I love the silhouettes and the playfulness, the colors, the textures.
Chloe: I just love that you come at everything from such an interesting angle. I mean, you’re fun, but serious. Audacious, but grounded.
Sally: Well, that’s me.
Chloe: And this is what i mean when I was talking about partnership benefiting both of us, because if you could put that all down in writing, you could occupy the top spot on newman media’s fashion site. I mean, I’m thinking maybe even a byline that reads “sally spectra, contributing expert.” I don’t know, something along those lines. And I don’t know, I mean, if things turn out the way they should, what do you think about being the face of the platform?
Sally: Ha, I would love it. I mean, I already have a million ideas.
Chloe: Good, I want to hear them all. So next, I think we just need to have lauren sign off on your side hustle, which I really don’t think will be a problem because jcv could really use the press and, I mean, not to mention, she’s family.
Sally: Uh, put — put your phone away, chloe.
Sally: ‘Cause this would never work.
Sharon: Oh, hi. I was just about to text you.
Rey: Yeah, are you looking for an update on tracking mariah’s location using her cellphone data?
Sharon: Yeah. Please tell me that you’ve had some good luck.
Rey: Oh. I know this isn’t what you want to hear, but I’ve been running into the same roadblocks that tessa has. I’ve been using more sophisticated software, but the results are the same.
Sharon: Is there something else we can do?
Rey: Well, there is one more thing I want to look into, but unfortunately, I can’t give you any information on mariah’s location right now. She could be anywhere.
Sharon: Look, I know you don’t like making guesses without a lot of facts, but you also have a lot of experience to draw on. And I probably know mariah better than anyone so that means I have no objectivity. What is your gut telling you? What do you think is going on with mariah?
Rey: I hate to say this, sharon, but sometimes people don’t want to be found.
Abby: [ Sighs ]
[ Sighs ]
[ Sighs ]
Devon: Hey, is that mariah?
Abby: I don’t know why I even keep trying. I wonder if she knows how worried we are about her or how much we miss her, how much we want her to come back home.
Devon: I think she has an idea.
Abby: I just — I want her to know how grateful I am to her and to you, too, and if space is what she needs, then, fine, i will move out of the chancellor house until the baby’s born. Mariah and tessa can have the whole place to themselves.
Devon: Abby, that’s not gonna be necessary. I’m sure when she comes back, she’s gonna be ready to be around everybody again.
Abby: I hope so. I just — I keep sending these texts to who knows where, and i hear nothing in response. It’s just — it’s all so hard.
[ Cellphone vibrates ] Do you think it could be…?
Devon: There’s one way to find out.
Abby: [ Sighs ] “Please stop. I need more time. You’re not making this any easier.”
[ Pounding on door ]
Mariah: You don’t scare me, you know.
Tessa: Mariah? Are you in there? It’s me.
Mariah: Tessa, oh, my god. Tessa?! Tessa, it’s me! I’m here!
[ Gasps ] I can’t get out. Somebody locked me in here, and I’ve been trapped here ever since.
Tessa: I’m here to get you out and take you home where you belong.
Mariah: Oh, I knew you would find me. The door — the door is locked.
Tessa: Stand back.
Tessa: Mariah, I mean it. Get away from the door.
Mariah: Okay. Um… I’m good. Just be careful.
Tessa: [ Grunts ]
Mariah: Are you okay?
[ Hitting door ]
Mariah: Tessa. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.
[ Gasping ] Oh, my god. You don’t know how many times I’ve hoped and I’ve prayed for this moment, just so I could see your face.
Tessa: Oh, babe, you’re breaking my heart.
Mariah: How did you find me?
Tessa: I didn’T.
Mariah: What? What are you talking about? Of — of course you did. You’re right here.
Tessa: I want to be able to tell you and the baby how i saved you one day, but, honey, listen to me. This is important. I have no idea where you are and no idea why you left us in the first place. Everyone thinks you’ve deserted us.
Mariah: No, I would never —
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Jack: Hey. I know how proud you are of your daughter.
Phyllis: Of course I’m proud. Of course I am. I mean, she got everything she wanted. She has a great job, her fiancé is by her side. She has an adorable little stepson. I just… I wish she had that here.
Jack: Yeah, I know that feeling.
Phyllis: Oh, it’s bad enough that daniel’s in savannah. I see him, like, never, ever.
[ Scoffs ] And the reason that I uncovered everything behind, you know, sally and tara’s scheme is because I wanted to pave the way for summer to come back home. But she didn’t want to come back home. She’s in another continent. I mean, I can’t really call her up now and say, on the spur of the moment, “hey, you want to go out for brunch? You want to go shopping?”
Jack: I do get this, but just pretend that summer got this job without sally pulling any strings. You had to be pretty excited when she got the job, even knowing it would take her out of town, right?
Phyllis: But I wasn’t, because I knew there was something shady going on, so I didn’t allow myself to get excited. So it’s like she was pulled over there for really no good reason.
Jack: No, a great job is a very good reason to move.
Phyllis: It’s a very good reason, jack, but it just —
[ Sighs ] I did all of this so she would come home. And she’s not coming home. She’s still [Scoffs] Like seven time zones away.
Jack: I suspect if I spent the rest of the day coming up with reasons you should feel better about this, I wouldn’t put a dent in it. So let me ask you something — how does nick feel about this? Is he as upset as you are, or is he already seeing a silver lining? Judging from that reaction, the two of you are not seeing eye to eye.
Phyllis: Mnh-mnh, we are not.
Jack: What does nick say?
Phyllis: I’m not gonna tell you what he says, ’cause I have a feeling you’re gonna agree with him, and then you two will be right, and then I’ll be wrong. And I will not accept that.
Chelsea: I let myself get carried away, didn’t I? Um…I’m sorry.
Adam: It’s okay.
Chelsea: I’m just excited to give connor all the things he missed out on last year when he was at boarding school.
Adam: So am I.
Chelsea: But if my suggestions are making you uncomfortable, we can scale back my ideas.
Adam: I think we need to take it a step at a time.
Chelsea: Not a problem. I think I’m just excited about my progress, you know? Every day is like a renewal. Every day is a chance to take another step forward.
Adam: Well, that’s a good way to look at it.
Chelsea: I mean, being out of the hospital is just liberating.
[ Exhales ] I’m finally realizing just how bad it got, and I just want to start to piece my life back together as best I can. So if it seems like I’m going overboard trying to, you know, get all the quality family time, it’s just because I feel ready, and that’s a really good feeling.
Adam: That’s nice to hear.
Adam: I am glad that you’re being so positive. I think that that is great. But I’m worried that too much too soon might confuse connor about where things stand between us.
Chelsea: It’s never going back to the way things were, is it?
Adam: I think it’s just best that we say this out loud, chelsea. Too much has changed. We will always be connor’s parents, and he can always count on us working together and making his life as happy as possible, but we need to make our own paths forward now. Separately.
Chloe: Wait. Everything was going so great. Why put the brakes on all of a sudden? What’s the problem?
Sally: Me. I’m the problem, so why don’t you just save yourself a lot of heartache and have somebody else write for your site?
Chloe: Does this have something to do with what phyllis told me?
Sally: [ Sighs ] I just got so swept up in the idea of everything that i thought there could be a way to make this work, but there’s not. You’re gonna learn the truth eventually, and I’m sure lauren will relish in telling you why she fired me.
Chloe: Oh, uh, sorry, so you don’t work for jcv anymore?
Sally: That is the least of it.
Chloe: Well, it couldn’t be that bad. I mean, what, were you trying to bring back the poodle skirt or something?
Sally: Do you really want to know?
Chloe: Sure. I mean, listen, I’m gonna hear about it anyway, so you might as well tell me your end of the story.
Sally: Okay. Alright, here it is in all its glory — the tragic tale of the downfall of sally spectra.
[ Sighs ] Okay, right after I arrived from la trying to carve out a new fashion niche for myself, i learned that summer had gotten my dream job, while I became lauren’s assistant. And I was very grateful for the opportunity, don’t get me wrong, but I ran my own fashion house. I had my own lines. I have massive amounts of experience. And here I was, starting at the bottom again. So I bided my time, until i learned that ashland locke was giving his wife the boot, and i saw that our goals aligned. Summer had both the job that i wanted and the man that tara wanted, and I — together, we could make our dreams come true. So I asked eric forrester and asked him for a job recommendation, and long story short, one thing led to another, and boom, now summer is the creative director for angelina marchetti in milan.
Chloe: So how did you get her to take the job? I mean, aside from it being a bad-ass career move?
Sally: Well, tara told summer that if summer didn’t take the job, that she would make sure that kyle never saw his son again.
Chloe: Oh. Well, yeah, that’S…extreme.
Sally: And unfortunately, phyllis figured everything out and told everyone, so now kyle and summer are living happily ever after in italy, and I am out of a job. And now we can just part ways and you can pretend that you never met me. (Tonya) smoking damaged my heart.
Chloe: Maybe we should shift focus and talk about a deadline for your first piece.
Sally: Did you not hear everything I just said?
Chloe: I heard every word, very clearly. And I knew going in that you’re no saint. I mean, I didn’t know things had gotten that crazy.
Sally: So why are you still here?
Chloe: My best friend chelsea is trying to turn her life around, and I want that to happen for her. So your story resonates with me. But mainly, I used to be you, more or less. Things change. People change. I mean, now I have two gorgeous kids and a man who loves me, and the man I loathed more than anything on this earth gave me an incredible job with a lot of autonomy, free rein to do anything I want, and what I want is to have sally spectra’s byline on my site. So are we gonna get to work, or what?
Sally: [ Chuckles ]
Abby: I’m trying really hard not to be angry with mariah because she’s a good person and there has to be some logical reason why this happened.
Devon: Yeah, I — I really don’t know the right way to respond to this.
Abby: Well, empathy — empathy is what I want to feel. I mean, mariah wouldn’t be pregnant if it wasn’t for me, if I hadn’t asked her to carry the baby. And I just — I want to hug her and I want to tell her that i understand how difficult this is for her, and I am sorry for hovering, but, you know, you can’t hug someone through a text. I can’t make her feel how much I love her.
Devon: I know, but you’ve said that to her in person tons of times.
Abby: Which is part of the problem. I wouldn’t stop talking about it, and now she’s having to deal all of this by herself. And I don’t think she realizes that she’s making it more difficult. I mean, isolation is not the answer.
Devon: You’re absolutely right. And I don’t know what’s going through mariah’s mind. I know that you’ve shown more empathy than most people would in your situation right now. But you just have to try and remember to not worry so much about mariah that you forget to take care of yourself. Like you should delegate and have some of your staff handle the paperwork until she comes back home.
Abby: Yeah, yeah, you’re right. I can do that.
Devon: Yeah. Yeah, and you know what? Maybe you need to distract yourself, too. Why don’t you plan to go and hang out with nina or something?
Abby: Well, nina is in la. A film company hired her to work on a script.
Devon: Oh, really?
Devon: I figured she would be in town until chance came home.
Abby: I told her to go. I would hate if any of this interfered with her life or her career.
Devon: Well, you still have me. I’m not going anywhere. And hey, speaking of films, i have an idea. You should make another video for chance. It might make you feel better to focus on him like that, have that connection. I’ll be your camera man.
Abby: Yeah, I don’t know.
Devon: No? Was it something I said?
Abby: No, you always give the perfect advice. It’s just I haven’t been making those video diary entries recently.
Devon: Why haven’t you?
Abby: Because I’m afraid.
Devon: What are you afraid of?
Abby: Of what he’ll see. Is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes
Devon: Hey. You never answered my question. What are you afraid of chance seeing in these videos?
Abby: Resentment. Do you remember how I talked to you about how I was feeling angry that I was having to deal with all of this by myself? You’re the only person that i can talk about that stuff with.
Devon: Okay, but you know that everything you’re feeling is completely normal.
Abby: Yeah, but it scares me to think about him coming home and watching the videos and seeing that.
Devon: Why is that scary? That’s your husband. That’s like the one person who you shouldn’t have to hide your feelings from, right?
Abby: Yeah, but he has a lot on his plate. He’s on a job that’s taken him away from everyone he loves. He’s putting his life in jeopardy every single day. And the last thing I would want is for him to come home and feel like I wasn’t giving him 110% of my support while he was away.
[ Sighs ]
[ Cellphone vibrates ] Sorry. What if this is —
Devon: Is it mariah?
Abby: No, it’s sharon. She’s with rey. They want to meet.
Devon: Okay. Alright, I’ll go with you.
Phyllis: You know, I came here to talk to a friend, not get the third degree, but you want to know how nick’s being? Yeah, he’s being great. Great, rational, reasonable. Terrific. Terrific about this entire thing.
Jack: You don’t say.
Phyllis: Yeah. He thinks it’s wonderful that our daughter is in italy having the time of her life at her dream job. He is so happy for her that she is thriving.
Jack: My god, what has gotten into him?
Phyllis: You know what? I don’t appreciate your sarcasm. I want to feel how you guys feel, but all I do is miss my daughter. I just miss my daughter, okay?
Jack: Okay, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to tease you. I will stop right now.
Phyllis: Thank you.
Jack: I do know how you feel. I love summer and kyle more than I can say, and I could not be happier that the two people i love so much are together right now. But it comes at a price.
Phyllis: I mean, you don’t have your co-ceo anymore.
Jack: I enjoyed every single minute watching my son grow into this competent, strong businessman.
Phyllis: And harrison. What about him?
Jack: Hopefully kyle and ashland will work out some way for harrison to spend time in milan with them, and that, of course, is time I won’t have watching my grandson grow up or watching my son become a father.
Phyllis: You know how I feel.
Jack: Yeah. You know what, though? We didn’t — we didn’t have kids to become clones of ourselves that never leave our side. There’s a cost we have to pay. It’s — it’s part of the package. And I mean, they’re not out of our lives, they’re out of the country.
Phyllis: Long plane ride away.
Jack: Yeah, a long plane ride away to really great brunch opportunities and good shopping.
Phyllis: Yeah. Yay. I know what you want me to say. You want me to say, “stop feeling sorry for yourself and be happy for your brilliant daughter.”
Jack: You think you’re gonna do that?
Jack: No, I didn’t think so.
[ Both laugh ]
Phyllis: I’ll try to do that. You know, it’s just really hard. Thank you.
[ Sighs ] I need a drink. You want a drink? I’m paying.
Jack: If you’re buying, I’d love to have a drink.
Phyllis: [ Chuckles ]
Chloe: Hey, adam.
Adam: [ Sighs ] Don’t bother knocking. Come on in. Who do we have here?
Chloe: This is the person who will give our fashion platform instant credibility and set us apart from the rest — sally spectra.
Sally: Nice to meet you.
Adam: Sally spectra. Where have I heard that name before?
Sally: Well, I’m only slightly famous, but it’s mostly because of great-aunt, the original sally spectra, which lucky for you ’cause otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to afford me.
Adam: I know why you seem so familiar. You were dating jack abbott, weren’t you?
Sally: Yeah, but that’s in the past.
Adam: He’s a friend of mine.
Sally: Wow, everyone in this town really does know each other.
Chloe: Tell you what, give jack a call, he’ll give you all the dirt on sally. It won’t be pretty, but I don’t care because you told me I can hire whoever I want, and I am standing by my latest discovery.
Adam: It never crossed my mind to call jack, but now it sounds like maybe I should.
Chloe: Don’t forget, if we start holding people to unreasonable standards because of their questionable pasts, you and I are the first ones out the door.
Adam: [ Sighs, chuckles ] Fair enough. Sally…welcome aboard.
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Chloe: Now, this is the perfect place to celebrate your new job. We’re gonna pop some bubbly and we’re gonna brainstorm.
Sally: Man, I really thought things were gonna go south whenever adam remembered that i used to date jack, because trust me, whatever negative things lauren has to say about me, they are not nearly as bad as what jack could tell you.
Chloe: And I am so glad that you were honest with me because now we can just start with a clean slate — no secrets, no skeletons. And I don’t really care what jack has to say because you already told me everything that I need to know.
Sally: Why are you so willing to take a chance on me?
Chloe: Because I have a really good feeling about you, a sense that this risk is really going to pay off.
Sally: You have no idea how good it feels to have someone actually believe in me.
Chloe: I mean, I know that you can’t just change overnight. I mean, that would be naive, but all I’m saying is just don’t bring whatever you’re getting into into work because I am very serious about this new venture, and I know adam. If you cross the line, then I’m gonna pay the price, so don’t even try it, because I am 10 times meaner than lauren.
Sally: You don’t have to worry about me at all. I learned my lesson. I just plan on keeping my head down and staying focused on my work.
Chloe: Then I think we’re gonna get along just fine.
Sally: [ Chuckles ]
Chloe: And I was serious about what I said before, about you being our on-camera personality. You know, there are some really big fashion shows coming up, so I’m thinking you can interview some designers, get some backstage exclusive footage.
Jack: This was a good idea.
Phyllis: Yeah, I’m filled with good ideas. You know that about me.
Jack: How could I have forgotten that?
Chloe: Sally? What do you think?
Sally: Sorry, we were talking about video.
Chloe: Close. We were talking about making you a star.
Sally: [ Chuckles ]
Rey: Thank you all for coming. I know that everyone here is anxious to find out the latest on the search for mariah.
Devon: What did you guys find out?
Rey: Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find out anything on her location. Even with using the department’s more sophisticated software, I’ve been running into the same problems that tessa has — a message that says mariah’s location has been turned off.
Abby: Okay, so what do we do now?
Tessa: We stop pretending that this isn’t as bad as it seems. It’s time to do more than just cross our fingers and hope mariah’s gonna come home on her own. Not everyone feels this as strongly as I do, I get that. But it’s one thing for mariah to want some time to herself, but to go to these extremes to be alone? Sorry, that’s not mariah. And everyone needs to acknowledge that — now.
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Sharon: Tessa, I know that you’re convinced that something more happened to mariah than we know about, and I’m not telling you that you’re wrong, but as rey said earlier, there’s just no proof.
Rey: Look, I understand why you want to hit the panic button, but I can’t do anything without a lead, and so far, we don’t have any. That’s why I called you all over here so I could see if there’s anything that I’m missing.
Tessa: I know in my heart that something’s off.
Abby: And there’s one thing i know for sure — if mariah knew how upset we all were, she’d be home in a flash if she could.
Sharon: I think abby’s right. Mariah loves her job. She takes it very seriously. She texted jack to say that she would be gone for a few days, and then no one at jabot has heard from her ever since. She missed a prenatal appointment after she said she would be home in time for it.
Tessa: She knows how dangerous that can be for her and the baby. And she knows how much she means to me.
Sharon: And the bottom line is, mariah may be upset, but she’s not cruel. She would never torture tessa or abby or any of us intentionally.
[ Laughter ]
Phyllis: Oh, my gosh, look at that. I warned chloe about that snake, and there she is, carrying on at the bar. They’re like besties.
Jack: Maybe it’s business.
Phyllis: But sally’s unemployed, unless you know something I don’T.
Jack: Adam told me that newman media offered chloe a fashion platform. Maybe sally wants to be part of that.
Phyllis: Oh, my goodness.
[ Scoffs ] I wouldn’t put it past her. Seriously, lauren gives her the heave-ho, and here she is, worming her way into chloe’s life.
Jack: I am confident chloe can handle herself. Stop staring.
Phyllis: I can’t even believe this. What is she still doing here? I blew up her scheme sky high. She should be embarrassed. She should be leaving this town with her tail between her legs, not enjoying herself at the bar while my daughter is thousands of miles away. You know what I always say, right? You know what I always say.
Jack: No, I don’T.
Phyllis: Don’t get mad, get even. This is the sound of an asthma attack…
Chloe: So I’m envisioning our video content as a mix of in-studio segments where we’re showcasing new trends and keeping our users up-to-date on the latest fashion news and field coverage and maybe you’re out on the street, styling people and taking people into the headquarters of their favorite designers. I want all of your input, your wildest ideas.
Sally: You might regret saying that.
Chloe: I don’t want you to hold back, okay? We are starting this from scratch, and I know that you just had your wrist slapped, but I don’t want that to diminish your ambition because that is the engine will make this so special.
Sally: Okay, so you would be okay with sending me on a tour of every fashion capital on earth, traveling first class all the way?
Chloe: Okay, let’s maybe not get ahead of ourselves. After everything you just told me, I don’t think I need to explain that.
Sally: Yeah, sorry, I was just day-dreaming out loud. No, I’m all about keeping things on a budget and making you, my brand-new boss, look good because I have a lot to prove, and I do accept full blame for taking things way too far at fenmore’S. But that woman has been out to get me from the moment that we met, and even if I had done nothing, she would have found something to use against me. She’s trouble. And I will never forget it.
Adam: Hey, jack.
Jack: Adam, hello.
Phyllis: Long time no see, adam.
Adam: Don’t tell me you missed me. Hey, jack, chloe just hired sally spectra to start working at newman media. I know that you know her well. Am I making a mistake by letting chloe run with the new hire?
Jack: Well —
Phyllis: I’ll answer that. Yes. A big mistake, gigantic one.
Adam: Any particular reason why?
Jack: It’s —
Phyllis: I’ll answer that. Yes. Because she and tara locke were partners in crime.
Adam: You don’t say.
Phyllis: That one is selfish, self-centered, and devious. While tara locke is rightfully facing charges, this one over here lands on her feet.
Adam: So you’re saying you and sally have a lot in common. Is that why you don’t like her?
Mariah: You, boy, are gonna have the best baby book ever. It’s gonna be three pages at least dedicated to the time that you were kidnapped in utero, all the while, your surrogate had to find her way out of a seemingly impossible situation. So if you want to know what is going on out here, I am searching for something. Anything. A clue to why we’re here, where we are, and who put us here. So maybe we — that’s — that’s a camera. So is that you’ve been doing, you’ve been watching us? Have you been watching us?! How twisted are you?! Why am I here? What do you want? No, no, no, no, no. That’s it, okay? No more video. No more watching. Got it? There. How do you like that? If you want to know what’s going on in here, you can come out from hiding, you coward, and face me.
Sharon: Each of us has tried to get through to mariah, and so far, nothing has worked.
Abby: What do you think we should do?
Sharon: Some sort of digital intervention, just try to get her to understand how we feel being away from her, why we’re so concerned?
Tessa: But what if that doesn’t work?
Sharon: If our intervention isn’t enough to make her come home on her own, then I think that we need to turn up the heat on the search. No more crossing our fingers and waiting for an app to give us answers. No more being passive. If there are no leads, then we need to dig some up. You know, we haven’t yet looked at her credit card usage, her bank account activity, and i think we need to start doing that.
Tessa: Hallelujah. This is what I have wanted all along.
Abby: Sharon’s right. It’s time to bring mariah home, one way or another.